Kites & Causes
Last night I read The Kite Runner. I read it from start to finish and was up until 3am reading because I just couldn't put it down. I cried when I read it. I cried because it was sad, even though I knew it would be sad. The book is about an Afghan-American man who reflects on his past friendship with his childhood friend in Afghanistan. The story begins during pre-Taliban times and ends with the Taliban in full power. While we all know what messed up people the Taliban were, and I knew I shouldn't have been surprised reading about what they've done since I heard it all before, it was still very much upsetting and I had a hard time sleeping after just thinking about the harsh living conditions that some people are faced with.
If I lived during the Taliban regime I'd be forced to wear a suffocating burqa, lose my job, lose my rights, and basically be forced to feel ashamed of being a woman. There's no question that V would be publicly executed, but oh wait, so would I, because unmarried men and women aren't allowed to talk to each other, God forbid, love each other. My mom, who wore hijab briefly when she got married but quit because she felt more Islamic without it, would probably face a similar fate. My dad would be forced to have a beard of a certain length and my brother would be forced to grow one on his baby smooth face as soon as he reached common facial hair age. My sisters would be under constant house arrest and would not be allowed to continue their education and my grandparents would be forced to close down their sports stores because we all know that sports and physical activity is sinful (I'm being sarcastic). Last but not least, my aunt would probably be raped and killed because she's Shia and my cousins, the offspring of her and my Sunni uncle would probably be killed too. Paints a depressing picture doesn't it?
A movie based on the book is set to be released this November. That's one movie I'll have to see. I recommend this book to everyone. It's emotionally upsetting but it's important.
One thing I really appreciate about my parents is how involved they've always been in various causes from as far back as I can remember. Maybe it was because they grew up during the Apartheid, but from supporting orphans in other parts of the world, to attending fundraising events that support different charities, peaceful rallies against occupation, oppression, and the like, my parents' interest and want to help in the little way that ordinary people can, has always been an inspiration to me and my siblings.
Don't turn a blind eye to all the atrocities taking place in the world today. We have responsibilities, and one of them is to help our brothers and sisters who are tied to us through humanity. On March 17th there's going to be a rally and march through downtown Toronto. If you live nearby or have some time, I'd really encourage you all to go. It's the four year anniversary of the invasion in Iraq and the rally is to demonstrate opposition to American troops in Iraq, and also for Afghanistan. Be supportive, have a voice. If you don't make your opposition clear, you have no right to complain. The Taliban were (and are) evil people, but evil exists in many forms and the U.S. government and their so-called "good intentions" on the fight against terrorism are only another example.
If I lived during the Taliban regime I'd be forced to wear a suffocating burqa, lose my job, lose my rights, and basically be forced to feel ashamed of being a woman. There's no question that V would be publicly executed, but oh wait, so would I, because unmarried men and women aren't allowed to talk to each other, God forbid, love each other. My mom, who wore hijab briefly when she got married but quit because she felt more Islamic without it, would probably face a similar fate. My dad would be forced to have a beard of a certain length and my brother would be forced to grow one on his baby smooth face as soon as he reached common facial hair age. My sisters would be under constant house arrest and would not be allowed to continue their education and my grandparents would be forced to close down their sports stores because we all know that sports and physical activity is sinful (I'm being sarcastic). Last but not least, my aunt would probably be raped and killed because she's Shia and my cousins, the offspring of her and my Sunni uncle would probably be killed too. Paints a depressing picture doesn't it?
A movie based on the book is set to be released this November. That's one movie I'll have to see. I recommend this book to everyone. It's emotionally upsetting but it's important.
One thing I really appreciate about my parents is how involved they've always been in various causes from as far back as I can remember. Maybe it was because they grew up during the Apartheid, but from supporting orphans in other parts of the world, to attending fundraising events that support different charities, peaceful rallies against occupation, oppression, and the like, my parents' interest and want to help in the little way that ordinary people can, has always been an inspiration to me and my siblings.
Don't turn a blind eye to all the atrocities taking place in the world today. We have responsibilities, and one of them is to help our brothers and sisters who are tied to us through humanity. On March 17th there's going to be a rally and march through downtown Toronto. If you live nearby or have some time, I'd really encourage you all to go. It's the four year anniversary of the invasion in Iraq and the rally is to demonstrate opposition to American troops in Iraq, and also for Afghanistan. Be supportive, have a voice. If you don't make your opposition clear, you have no right to complain. The Taliban were (and are) evil people, but evil exists in many forms and the U.S. government and their so-called "good intentions" on the fight against terrorism are only another example.
37 Comments:
At 7:40 p.m.,
mezba said…
This may be one of your best posts. I read the Kite Runner last September and thought it was one of the best books ever written, but I never thought of it from the point of view of a woman or a Shia. They are/were pretty dreadful.
iA I will be at that rally.
At 8:44 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
That was a very interesting post. For the record, I have not read the book, but after reading your post I intend to read it soon. While I agree that Talibans were oppressive in many ways, it is important to keep a critical mind. No, I am not a Taliban sympathizer. Yes, Talibans have accomplished many goods in Afghanistan as well. And yes, they were very oppressive not only toward Muslims but they were also very intolerant toward non-Muslim minorities, and it is good to see them removed from power. However, the so called suffocative burkha was worn by many women in Afghanistan both pre and post Taliban. Similar burka are also worn by women of South East countries willingly. Indeed, the Taliban forced many women to wear it against their will; however, it is important to keep away from generalizations. While many women, perhaps understandably, 'feel more Islamic' without the traditional hijab, veil, chador, there are many women who feel Islamic wearing it. It is part of their identity. Nevertheless, hijabi women are not better than hijabless women, and vice versa, for God alone judges. Lastly, knowing that Taliban were oppressive, how could they have been overthrown without US intervention? Why oppose US intervention in Afghanistan if we agree that removing Taliban was a good thing? Some things to think about.
At 9:06 p.m.,
'liya said…
Mezba: I'm glad you read it :) I've been meaning to for so long and now my sister bought it to use for her assignment so it gave me the perfect chance. Any book that has the power to make me cry automatically becomes one of my favourites.
Yusuf: Sure they did some good, i.e. removal of drugs etc. I NEVER said hijabi women are not better than hijabless women and I'm sorry if you felt I implied that because I didn't think I did - I agree 100%, God judges. I just said that if my family and I lived there, we'd be forced to do things we wouldn't want to do - which means that we wouldn't be free. Such as, wearing that suffocating burka - by which I mean the one that covers your eyes. Perhaps if you were a woman you'd feel differently, but when I see a woman forced to be covered from head to toe, I feel nothing but sorrow for her and anger for the man that would put her in that situation. Now if she chose to wear it of her own free will that's a different story, but no woman in her right mind would want to be a walking ghost - it doesn't even LOOK Islamic. Plus, then you'd have to take into consideration why she wouldn't want to show her face to be able to breath easily (maybe it's pressure from her family/husband or just plain old scared for her safety, who knows). I have students from Afghanistan who are very open with me. They've lived there themselves and have told me the horror stories about the treatment of women in the name of "Islam." It's really really sad and sometimes I just don't know what to say.
I oppose any intervention where innocent civilians are killed. The U.S. intervention didn't do much since the Taliban still exist and I don't have any solution to offer...
Please do read the book... I know many schools are beginning to put it on the curriculum and I'm very happy to see that happening. We can never forget the suffering that these people have been put through.
At 10:21 p.m.,
FU said…
yo miss C,
sorry ive been away for so long!
been busy.. have updates that i will say soon.. just not yet... :)
ttysoon
fu
At 11:36 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Dear Aaliyah,
To create peace, let me start with Assalamualaikum (peace be upon you :) ).
I hope you don't take my addiction for discussions personally. Sometimes, I don’t agree with many things I say myself hehe. But it’s always a good idea to exchange ideas.
I am not suggesting you said hijabi women are not better than non-hijabi women etc. In fact, I am sad but not surprised to say I know many non-hijabi women who are far better than many hijabi women I know. As we agreed, actions are based on character, and God alone judges. However, you're very wrong with regards to veil or burkha. While personally I share your opinion that veil (covering of the face) is not required Islamically, I fully support womens right to wear it. While you may feel sorry for those women covering their faces from head to toe, they may equally feel sorry for you for not realizing the beauty of allowing people to judge you merely on your character simply by covering your face. Furthermore, to claim that those women who cover themselves are either forced or out of their mind is arrogant. While I agree that many women are probably forced to wear it either directly or indirectly through cultural expectations, there are also many intelligent and educated women who feel it is part of their Islamic identity and a requirement for them to cover their faces. We can disagree with them, but that is their inherent right.
Many of my friends are from Afghanistan, and they very much dislike Taliban as well for the obvious reasons you mentioned. However, I am often confused of peoples need to get rid off the Taliban and opposing US intervention in Afghanistan. What could have been done? What would you have done if you were World Superpower? Of course, I don't claim America's intentions are all good or bad, but one of their goals is to spread the 'universal' American value to deeply cultured burkha loving women.
Finally, please read this short article titled 'My Body is my Own Business' that appeared in the Globe and Mail years ago: http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Personal/personal2.htm
At 12:20 a.m.,
Anonymous said…
sounds like a book that would interest me, i could use a good cry
but i'm confused by the last comment... please help me out... if u say women have a right to cover their faces but we're supposed to judge those women on their character... how do we do that? i know one woman who dresses like this in my building and these are women that don't want to talk to men or arnt allowed to anyway
yusuf i get the feeling u arnt a woman and therefore have no clue as to what this could feel like :(
(btw, i'm a girl)
At 1:34 a.m.,
'liya said…
Fu: How great to see you back! I thought we lost you to Disneyland or some place nice and warm :D Can't wait to hear about all your adventures... say did you hear SARA'S BIG NEWS... are you going? I am!
Yusuf: Aww don't worry I don't take it personally, I'm glad you came back to respond :) However... let's be reasonable, it's very hard to live with a sheet over your head. Hehe, have you tried? The link you gave me doesn't do anything for your argument, it's about hijab (and a girl in Canada) - which is nothing like the burqa (or what women face in Afghanistan). To cover one's hair and to cover one's face are totally different matters. God gave us eyes to see the world, a nose to breath (not under fabric), and a mouth to speak clearly (not under fabric again). There are many intelligent women who wear hijab, but there are NOT many intelligent women who wear the burqa. You have to remember that these women have been denied education. Most of them can't even read the Quran. They are THAT oppressed. They only source of info they get is from the men who are in charge. If (bad) men are all you have to believe, what other choice do you have? You even say that it isn't required Islamically. If it isn't, then someone needs to educate these women that they are being manipulated by men to do something that oppresses them, is horribly demeaning, and is unislamic. Perhaps this link is more suitable to what I'm trying to say and the point I'm trying to get across: http://www.rawa.org/nbc.htm
I do understand what you mean about opposing the Taliban but also at the same time opposing U.S. intervention. I don't like either, neither has good intentions - both sides kill innocent people. I don't like killing and I don't like bloodshed of any kind. And I don't have a solution but I'm sure matters could have been dealt with in a better way.
Anonymous: It's a really good book, definitely give it a read. But oooh your question is a good one, I'll let Yusuf answer it :) I've often wondered about that myself. I know a woman who wears something almost like the burqa. It's a really bizarre situation though because while her husband forbids her to talk to men, he himself interacts with plenty of women! This makes it hard to judge her character then because what do I base it on? The fact the she married a loser? The fact that she lets her husband control her? The fact that she segregates herself from society? The fact that she dropped out of school because he didn't want her to continue her studies? And the fact that he doesn't even allow her to drive a car? Whenever I see her I wonder how she feels and whether she regrets marrying him...
P.S Yusuf is a guy (boy's name) :)
At 3:12 a.m.,
mezba said…
I oppose Canada's mission in Afghanistan despite HATING the taliban because we are not doing any good there now anyways.
Our plans, missions and operations there have lost purpose and have no aim but to promote status quo.
What should have been done, and what can be done still, is to have a MASSIVE show of force there. If USA had send the 300,000 men (they sent to Iraq) to Afghanistan we would have had a different outcome there now.
Finally, since I would like to say I don't believe any woman would want to wear a burkha freely. By Burkha I mean the all encompassing sheet that the women in Afghanistan wears. Show me a woman who is delighted to wear it and behind her will be the fear of society.
At 10:44 a.m.,
Anonymous said…
OMG...Sara's getting married? That's great!!! Im so happy for her
At 12:23 p.m.,
Nauman said…
Keep in mind that you're listening to what the Taliban were about from a Western perspective that used heavy propaganda to further its causes. I know several Afghans and they told me that things were definitely not what the media has portrayed it to be. The same can be said about Iraq - many Iraqi's have said that things were definitely not "oppressive" the way the media made it out to be.
After studying war and the tools of war, I've learned that nothing is as it seems, especially from 1900 onwards. The media and other tools have been used extensively to further notions that may never have had any grains of truth to it while taking other things and exaggerating them to further public opinion in their favour.
I don't sympathize with the Taliban because they made some dumb mistakes to get themselves into the situation they did but if you want to look at a more present case of propaganda and Western intervention, look at Somalia. That story is even more drastic than that of Afghanistan.
At 1:53 p.m.,
'liya said…
Mezba: Thank you for saying my thoughts so clearly and much better than I did (you say exactly what I want - I should get you to write my comments)!
Zahera: I have no idea who you are lol but I take it you know Sara?? Yes SHE IS, and I'm going to do a post about that soon! I'm so happy for her too!!! :D
Nauman: There's no doubt that the West has used heavy propaganda - we'd be quite stupid to deny that! There is also no doubt that Somalians have suffered deeply in their situation (definitely a horrible situation but unrelated to the post...). I'm really happy that the Afghans you know didn't suffer much - or at least not to the extent that the media portrayed. The few that I know have (and maybe evn more than what the media could ever portray - for that, I'm glad I don't know because it would be too much to bare), but it's for THEM, for those who have suffered and still do that we need to open our eyes and be more aware. That's what this post is all about.
At 3:33 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Hey liya
wow...I just checked your post last night and there were no comments...and now there are so many! lol..
anyway, your post really made me want to read THE KITE RUNNER and I put it on hold at the University of Toronto library so I can pick it up on Monday when I go to school...lol...
But it is very hard to live wearing a Burqa and I agree...the Taliban were very oppressive!
I dont know if you watch Bollywood movies (lol...my secret's out) but there was a movie called 'Kabul' which was based on afghanistan and the oppression of women etc. It wasnt THAT good a movie...but your post just made me remembe it...;)
At 3:35 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
ooops...i just remembered, it was called "Kabul Express" ...in case ne one wants to see it...or comment on it...lol
At 3:37 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
The Kite Runner is an incredible book, its really eye opening. I'll be looking into this rally, thanks 'liya!
At 5:10 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Yusuf mentioned your full name in his comment...just letting you know in case u missed it
At 6:56 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
"There are NOT many intelligent women who wear the burqa."
I take it then that you don't personally know many women who choose to cover their faces! All of the niqabis I have met, almost without exception, are incredibly intelligent, amazing, and aware individuals. Women who are pursuing education, and who are forward-thinking. Many of them even chose to cover their faces against the will of their family.
But I completely agree that covering your face is not required and it definitely complicates things if you're living in the west. And, women should never be forced to cover themselves out of fear of people.
But, you're being unreasonable to simply declare that women who choose to cover their faces are less intelligent than you or oppressed. Passing an all-encompassing and general judgement on people is very hurtful. I though you would have understood that, you being a Muslim and seeing the way the media portrays us all of the time. It's unfair and it's uncalled for.
At 7:14 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
hiya! i'm still waiting for my answer... how am i supposed to judge one of these woman by their character if they don't talk to me! i've tried making conversation with the one in my building and she doesn't reply... but i know she speaks english because i heard her! my parents told me they don't talk to people who arent muslim... is that true cuz it sure seems like that? i see that you're a teacher... what are your thoughts on aishah azmi... (sp?)
At 7:14 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
oh n the above 2 comments aint from me
At 8:44 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Assalamualaikum Wa Rahmatullah (may God's peace and mercy be upon you all) to everyone - and I mean it.
Anonymous wrote:
"if u say women have a right to cover their faces but we're supposed to judge those women on their character... how do we do that? i know one woman who dresses like this in my building and these are women that don't want to talk to men or arnt allowed to anyway"
Anonymous, so are you suggesting women don't have the right to wear the veil even if they feel it is part of their religion? You're telling me a story of one woman in your building, considering the information is accurate, and I don't doubt you it is accurate. I can likewise inform you of many women who wear the veil and are attending Universities and have professional careers. It is not true that these women only speak with Muslims. It is their right to associate or choose not to associate with anyone they feel. Many of these women wearing veil may not feel necessary to talk to strange men, apart from those they have to deal with out of necessity. There are many men and women who do not wear veils and do not easily associate with people. Liyah also mentioned the couple she knows, where she feels the veil wearing woman is oppressed. It may very well be true, but we cannot generalize things based on some incidents around us. It would be very inaccurate to do so.
Liyah wrote: "However... let's be reasonable, it's very hard to live with a sheet over your head. Hehe, have you tried?"
How would you know that? Have you tried? I know many women who may find it very difficult to live without a 'sheet' over their head. I can understand if it is difficult for you to believe. Traditionally, in Indo/Pak/Afghanistan/Bangladesh etc, women who wore the 'burkha' resembled the Afghan style burkha. While many women wear a burkha that leaves their eyes open.
You also wrote: "You have to remember that these women have been denied education. Most of them can't even read the Quran. They are THAT oppressed. They only source of info they get is from the men who are in charge. If (bad) men are all you have to believe, what other choice do you have? You even say that it isn't required islamically. If it isn't, then someone needs to educate these women that they are being manipulated by men to do something that oppresses them, is horribly demeaning, and is unislamic."
It is absolutely wrong to claim that these women choosing to wear the burkha are uneducated. Yes, I don't doubt that lot of them under the Taliban were forced to wear it against their will. Many of them in Indo/Pak/Afghanistan are probably still forced to wear it. I agree with you that many of them are denied education by the very intolerant authority figures. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was a very kind man, and he had a very loving way of teaching people. I agree with you that while some of these women in the developing countries may be forced to wear it, a lot of them both in third world countries and here in the west choose to wear it. It is wrong to call them oppressed or unintelligent. Furthermore, while you and I agree that wearing the veil is not required islamically, many of these women wearing it feel it is required Islamically. They wear it to please God, not because they are forced to wear it. It is a very sensitive topic, and if you closely scrutinize the subject you will find many scholars on both side of the argument.
Neumann wrote:
"I know several Afghans and they told me that things were definitely not what the media has portrayed it to be."
Neumann, we can all agree that media is not the best source of accurate information. However, to claim the Taliban were not oppressive in some ways would be very inaccurate. They did not resemble the peaceful spirit of Islam. They did force many people to do things against their will, and punished people severely without showing any mercy. They were also very intolerant towards minority non-Muslims.
Anonymous (all these anonymous are confusing me hehe) wrote: "Yusuf mentioned your full name in his comment...just letting you know in case u missed it."
I think I read her name somewhere around the blog. I don't think I know her, but she seems like a great teacher, eh? hehe. I would love to be in her class, but considering my School days, I would have given her a very hard time hehe. Anyway, I should address her by her blog name.
I hope I haven’t left out anyone.
At 9:11 p.m.,
Asmaa said…
Hehe, Yusuf called Nauman "Neumann." That's pretty funny. Sorry, this has nothing to do with your post :)
At 10:18 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
pilly, this is a great post! one thing i really admire about u and your family is how u don't complain and whine about these things to other people, but how u always want to make that voice heard (through protests etc in a way that actually does something).
i just wish everyone would see the most important part that i think she's trying to get across, which is that we need to be more active in the community when we see that something is wrong. there's no denying that people have suffered in that country and we can't turn a blind eye to those who need our help. i think u should post more things like this. i like seeing your thoughts on these matters on your blog (which lately has become way too teacher-related lol)!
At 11:29 p.m.,
'liya said…
Eeks! So many anonymous comments... I feel confused :S
Here goes:
Faiza: Definitely read the book (yay I'm so happy that so many people want to now!) You know, Kabul Express sounds familiar, I've never seen it but I remember reading something about some sort of controversy surrounding it.. or maybe I'm thinking of something else. I've seen less Bollywood movies than I can count on my fingers, but the last one I saw was Water (wait is that even Bollywood or is it Hollywood?) and I thought it was pretty amazing. Actually speaking of Water, I should post something about that (I only saw it recently) ... it really brings to light the oppression of widowed women in India. But that's a whole other topic isn't it? And now I'm going on and on.. lol.. have you seen it? I'll look into Kabul Express but if it's something that would make me cry I think I've had enough tears for now :(
Ruby: That's great, yay! I'm glad you read the book, I can't wait for the day when I can actually teach it :)
Anonymous 1: Aww, thanks for letting me know - I let it go because while it is my name it's spelled incorrectly so I thought maybe it doesn't matter... but now that I think about it, maybe I'll delete his comment and repost it without my name in it... thank you for noticing and telling me though! I wish I knew who you were!
Anonymous 2: You're right, I don't know many personally. I only know two and both are in their twenties, neither has been educated beyond high school, and neither has a job, and honestly, neither is that nice. They appear to me as faceless and their minds appear to me as 'knowledgeless'.. Perhaps my comment was too strong, I'm certain there must be some that are educated and nice friendly people and I'm quite happy that you know some who are -I hope that spreads among others! :)
Now let's stay on topic with my post, when I talk about women in burqas, I'm talking about the burqa that covers one's face and I'm talking about the women that live in countries such as Afghanistan (not Canada) where most of them ARE forced to wear it - either before or after the Taliban that isn't the point, it's that they're forced to do something that they don't want to. Yes, maybe some of them want to, but a lot don't.
Please understand that I really don't like comments that begin with "I thought you would have understood that, you being a Muslim" - that doesn't mean I don't think different from the masses. I have my own thoughts and opinions and being a muslim has nothing to do with it. I do however agree that we aren't portrayed in the nicest way, but that doesn't mean I won't deny that there are many problems with the way women are treated in Islamic countries. It's an issue that I feel very strongly about and not something that I often talk/blog about but I'm actually glad these comments have given me the chance to let out my thoughts on this, especially since this wasn't really the main point of my post.
Anonymous 3: I take it you were the first anonymous... no offense to you or the others but please it would be so much easier if you had a name - or if you don't want to give your real name just make one up! Hmm about your building lady, well I don't know her so I can't really say anything. She sounds a bit like one of the girls I know who actually well doesn't just refuse talking to nonmuslims, but also refuses to talk to people she doesn't think are "religious" enough. And somehow that kind of behaviour is supposed to be Islamic?... You're making me ask myself questions here!
The Aishah Azmi case has nothing to do with my post but since it's related to teaching I'll give you my view :) I TOTALLY think she was in the wrong here. From what I remember, to her teaching interview she did not wear the niqab (covering that only allows the eyes to see), but yet when she began her teachign she wore it! That's deceitful! I'm also certain that her job was to teach ESL or new learners or something and for that there absolutely NO way that a child can learn without seeing the movement of the lips in how to shape and say words (any teacher can tell you how important that is) so basically from the point of view as a teacher, that disqualifies her as someone I would want to teach my ESL child if I had one, because the child simply wouldn't learn properly. No parent would want to send their child to someone who someone who can't teach properly! Actually, I'm not even sure if she was a qualified teacher. Now, if she wanted to wear the niqab that badly, she should probably have taught in an Islamic school where it would have been accepted... not a Christian one! You can't force your views on other people, and plus children are actually scared to talk to people when they can't SEE your face (I remember learning that in university!) I think it was Christian school, you can correct me if I'm wrong. I read about her awhile ago so I might be mixing this up with something else.
Yusuf: Thank you for coming back! You're right, mine and anonymous' situation are just two examples and it is wrong to generalize, I guess if those are the only people that we've known who dress in that way, it's hard not to generalize based on their actions. My statement was too strong and I take it back now, but I don't deny that too many women have been forced to wear something they don't want to. And sometimes, they don't know why their being forced to do this. Again, let me clear that I'm talking about the burqa that covers the face. The entire face.
Yes, I have tried wearing something like that and I couldn't stand it for a minute - that's why I asked you because you're a guy and I sometimes feel that men don't understand how hard it can be to be a woman here in North America and on the opposite side of the world. I tried it (at home) because I wanted to see and feel what those women (the ones who are forced) have to deal with. It was a horrible feeling, it felt totally unislamic, and I even had trouble breathing (I do get claustrophobic very easily though). It's not even healthy... don't you remember teachers/parents in elementary school always saying never to cover your head/nose?
Fine, we've established that maybe some of these woman are educated, but also remember that people tend to blindly follow tradition and not religion. And statistics do show that a lot of them aren't educated (don't ask me to find these statistics but I had to do an assignment on education systems around the world for a university teaching course - Afghanistan was a country I looked at in depth). One of the ways women were oppressed was how they were denied education. When you're denied an education there's very little you can do to be in charge of yourself and form your own thoughts. I really admire the women who during those hard times actually went against their orders and still taught, or still looked for ways to become educated. Actually, I just remembered, in one of the latest issues I received of a teaching magazine, there was an article on teaching in Afghanistan. I think they might have an online version so I'll look that up and post the link here. This is a very reputable magazine where the articles are backed with research, every certified teacher in Ontario receives one monthly. I hope I can find it, I'd love to share it with everyone because if I remember correctly, it was very positive.
Don't worry about my name, I'll probably repost your original comment - the only reason why I prefer my name isn't mentioned is for security reasons (related to work!)
Asmaa: That's okay, he should be used to it by now! :)
Agent: Aww thanks! Maybe I should devote more of my blog to more of my political/ religious thoughts unlike my usual teacher ones of late! But I know how much you love hearing me talk about work and my students and my lessons etc etc etc :D I'm glad you saw the POINT of the post though hehe.. I'm looking forward to our first protest together - when you get involved with my family, trust me you get INVOLVED!
At 11:37 p.m.,
'liya said…
Here is the link to the article I mentioned (it was easier to find than I thought):
http://www.oct.ca/publications/professionally_speaking/december_2006/afghanistan.asp
It's really great to see even such small steps forward. I can't stress how important education is!
At 11:40 p.m.,
'liya said…
Ah shoot, the link won't paste fully. Okay, click on that link, then go to BACK ISSUES (top right corner), then click on DECEMBER 2006 then click on the first article: The Courage to Teach in Afghanistan
by Sally Armstrong (click on full article).
At 11:10 a.m.,
FU said…
holy crap.. ur blog has full fledged essays in the comments
u really are a teacher :)
ok i fixed your name thingy... and no i cant go to sara's big news event, though i wish i could.. the reason.. i will explain soon. just need to find time.. time time time...
At 2:19 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Thanks Liya for the announecment about the movie. I can't wait! I LOVED the book. One of my favs now :)
N.
At 4:19 p.m.,
Ahmed said…
Wow, I read this post a while ago and there were no commnts and I didn't have time to comment myself but now theres a ton!
I love The Kite Runner a great book, incredibly sad at times but still an amazing book. I definitely going to see the movie, I hope it does the book/story justice.
At 5:24 p.m.,
'liya said…
Fu: Hehe, I know.
Let us know the reason soon! Don't worry, you'll be with her in spirit there won't you? :)
(thanks for fixing it!)
Anonymous / N: N? You're very much welcome! I can't wait too :D
Ahmed: I hope so too! A lot of movies that are based on books turn out to be real let downs (except ahem Harry Potter! thought those books + movies were great).
At 6:49 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Such an inspiring story about the schools in Afghanistan making progress! Without education we truly are nothing. Thank you for providing that site and for sharing your thoughts :-)
Like you, I am a teacher and have very strong thoughts about this profession and the way we treat it. I share quite similar thoughts about Ms. Azmi though I only glanced at the the articles that came up when I searched her name. I find it a little conflicting that she refused to teach with a male teacher. I'm not sure what she expected when she went into the profession, but perhaps an all-girls school would have been her better choice as she felt so strongly against her coworkers - for there are not only coworkers who are male but male students as well, and does she refuse to talk to them too? I don't know, I'm not that familiar with what happened but one certainly has to wonder.
Again, thank you for your thoughts, I'd love to see you discuss more about your thoughts and views on teaching and where you stand on religion in public schooling.
At 7:02 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Hey liya!
Yeah of course I saw Water...it came out last year tho...lol
But Water was SUCH a good movie...I cannot believe it didnt win at the Oscars...but that was kinda a gven since Indian movies never win (I think)! But you should def have a post on the movie...it taught me a lot about India and all the creulty that exists in the world and how lucky my sisters/friends/cousins and I are to be born in Canada (NA) where women have so many rights. We take being born in Canada/North America for granted everyday, when really we should be so happy and feel so lucky that we werent born into oppressive countries with no women rights. Even tho they say that Indian women (women who live in India) have more equality today - its so not true. Just look at the literacy rates and % of women in politics especially in rural India.
But anyway, Kabul Express wont make you cry THAT much...I didnt cry at all actually...lol..it just opens your eyes to what's going on in Afghanistan. Not every Afghani wants to kill others, yet some are forced into doing it. So even the men are being oppressed in some way or form. I guess the only way people can learn to treat everyone equally and respectfully is when God will teach them.
Wow...your posts really bring out so many opinions! lol...like your one commenter said...u really are a teacher! lol
Take Care
At 8:46 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
Liya, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think we had a pretty good discussion. I agree with a lot of your points, but I just wanted to make sure we don't paint all the veil wearing women with the same brush. We must not assume the worst of people. There is a beautiful lecture by Dr. Tariq Ramadan where he criticizes the mentality among many Muslims that only because someone does not wear hijaab or have beard, we feel that we cannot work with them as a community.
As you know there is an ongoing debate, especially in Europe, regarding the banning of veil. I am all for healthy integration and all, but I strongly believe that women should have the right to wear the veil and choose who they associate with as long as it does not harm other people. The case of Ms. Azmi completely infuriated me. I think she was a distraction, and she gave negative representation to women’s freedom to wear veil. Like you, I agree that she did not have to teach in public School if she wanted to wear the veil and teach. I don't have to be a teacher to know how important it is for students to be able to see teacher's face. Many people believe wearing veil is an Islamic requirement, and they have the right to believe that. As I said, it is a sensitive topic, and there are valid points on both sides.
Anyway, it's nice to see so many different political opinions. That can't be a bad thing. This is the time for change! Let's get active in our respective communities!
At 10:14 p.m.,
'liya said…
Bilqis: Yay a fellow teacher hehe! Thanks for stopping by and for your kind words! If you don't mind me asking, what grade and subject do you teach?
Actually I had completely forgotten that Ayesha Azmi had some sort of problem relating to male presence in the class - it was a teacher she was supposed to work with wasn't it? Thanks for bringing that up, it's something I hadn't even considered but good points to think about.
Hmm, where do I stand on religion in public schools? I think you've inspired my next post or something soon anyways lol.
Faiza: Well as you can see I'm not that up to date on Bollywood movies lol. Have you seen any of the other movies like Water? Um, I can't remember if they're named after the elements but something tells me there's Fire.. ? or is it Ice? I heard the other one was good but I haven't seen it yet and really want to.
"Just look at the literacy rates" - exactly.
Yusuf: Thanks, I really appreciate your views into this too :) Tariq Ramadan is awesome. I'll try and look into this when I can.
Definitely if women want to, they should be able to wear what they want, veil or no veil. I just hate to see the cases when women are forced into this, women have suffered through time because of man's stupidity and it angers me to see it happening today still. You're right, it is definitely a sensitive topic and there's valid points on both sides. I agree, it IS nice to see so many opinions, at least that way we know that this is something people are still passionate about on either way.
(Also, big thanks Yusuf to answering other people's comments/questions, I like how you deal with things in a very reasonable way, I know someone who could learn a lot from you).
At 4:32 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
quite an interesting discussion.
and i wud agree with u 'liya on yusuf dealing with the questions in a reasonable way. and actually i think i agree with quite a lot of things yusuf has said too.
but now i m motivated to read the book.. "kite" because of ur post.
At 12:42 a.m.,
'liya said…
M&M: Please read the book! And when you're done, I'd like to know what you think too :)
At 2:51 p.m.,
Anonymous said…
no i havent seen Fire or the other one...all I know is that it was a trilogy. But if I watch them...Ill be sure to let you know..and u should do the same ;)
lol
At 2:15 a.m.,
sara said…
Lol @ big news event! Who is Zahera?
At 6:22 a.m.,
'liya said…
Uh Sara... I think she's your friend, shouldn't you know? Weird lol :S
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